- FLIGHT CENTRE - Share price down 53.4% since pre-pandemic. Market value down 17.2%.
- WEBJET (ASX: WEB) – Share price says it's down 41% from its pre-pandemic high. The market value is actually up (!) 19.6% since pre-pandemic.
- QANTAS (QAN) - The market value is down 5.2% since pre-pandemic. But the share price is down 24.5%.
- AUCKLAND INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS (AIA) - The market value is down 2.9% since pre-pandemic but the share price suggests the value of the company is down 22%.
- CORPORATE TRAVEL (ASX: CTD) - Market value is up 37% since pre-pandemic but the share price is up 8%.
- SYDNEY AIRPORT (ASX: SYD) - The market value is up 14% since pre-pandemic but the share price is down 2.1%.
- OhhMedia! (ASX: OML) rebased to 100.
- Bank of Queensland (ASX: BOQ) rebased to 100.
- Seven Group Holdings (ASX:SVW) rebased to 100.
- For your interest, here is Flight Centre rebased to 100.
- Webjet rebased to 100.
- Share price charts are not the Messiah and could be termed misleading.
- The more a company shares issues a company does the more misleading the share price becomes as a representation of the company’s value.
- Share price charts don't reflect the value of a company over time.
- Share price history adjustments are a fudge that invalidates performance analysis.
- Using technical analysis over periods that include a share issue loses integrity.
- An index includes every issue of every company and consequently captures all the market value underestimation. In which case using an index as a benchmark is questionable. Using an index as a measure of equity market performance at all becomes questionable.
- Doing attrition on performance (a major task of fund managers) is riddled with difficulties/inaccuracy.
YOUR RESPONSES SO FAR
- Yes, it does appear misleading when the price is charted against time. The TERP is usually calculated after the last day of the rights issue using the current market value of all existing shares plus the funds used from the rights issue sales divided by the total number of shares on issue after the rights issue is complete. So the TERP is a predicted price used for arbitrage and is based on recent prices, not prices months to years earlier. The actual price will be obvious sometime after the rights issue is complete and all the issued shares are being traded. So I think you are correct that the price vs time chart can be misleading but it is not due to a problem with TERP. It is simply a failure on our part to appreciate the increased share issuance. After all the chart doesn’t pretend to be anything other than the change in the price of a share in a company over time.
- Your reasoning is entirely correct. I have been aware of this, particularly in relation to WEB and FLT. How can they be worth essentially more than pre-pandemic? I’m sure it will be some years before they make profits similar to pre-pandemic. FLT has closed a proportion of their shop fronts as well I believe. Sentiment can only go so far! The share market sometimes relies on a bigger fool….
- I entirely agree with this recalculation taking into account the capital raises. I also raised this previously when looking at charts and relative share price movements. KMD is in the same boat. But thanks for the formula on how to equate the share price, as I knew a direct comparison wasn’t right but I didn’t have the formula to adjust.
- You are quite right, but for any such calculations to be truly useful, you do need to go back historically and that then introduces any number of problems. You’d be building some kind of arcane algorithm to actually accurately assess a company's worth over its life and taking into account everything that had ever happened to it. Now, who would want that? Or to do that?
- Hi Marcus, you and Richard are not stupid but absolutely correct. This issue is brought up from time to time but is quickly forgotten as it requires some actual thinking and calculating. The broader populous is only interested in simplistic representations and the easy buck. Most have no understanding that the much-vaunted Dow Jones Index is not some fancy entity but a simple way developed by a couple of journalists to convey market sentiment to Mr and Mrs Dope on Main Street . The same applies to people quoting ASX200, S&P 500 or All Ords levels, in reality, when trading these indexes ( with the exception of DJ30 which is more stable) the only trade is long for the long term as poor performers are dropped and replaced by new favourites. But the general public isn’t interested in reality. I am a full-time trader, have been since the early 90’s and although not in the Rich List live very comfortably enjoying whatever I want whenever I want ( which is my definition of wealth) with no debt. For the reasons above I have never applied technical methods or indicators to equities markets however find them of some use in other markets such as FX, (where I derive most of my income as opposed to equities where capital growth is the aim) or options, possibly bonds but that also questionable given the influence of Reserve banks these days. Good job on highlighting this, will be interested to see where the discussion ends up…although I suspect I already know.
- I am a finance IT person and have done a lot of work for Funds Management and Investment Banks in the UK and here in Australia and this is one of the most annoying aspects of maintaining an investment database. When a capital event of some kind occurs you end up with an adjustment factor which is what you have to multiply every historic price in your database with in order to get correct answers to the sort of questions you are asking (i.e. charts but also performance attribution of investment decisions etc.) Those adjustment factors are not easily found for retail investors and pretty much every charting website just shows you historic prices (because ignoring the issue is the easiest way). Most data services that I've worked with professionally however give you them you just need to build the IT to make it work with your investment database. Not something most retail investors have access to. Anyway, basically, I think the chart that you are looking at is only showing historic prices (i.e. the historic prices have not been discounted by the adjustment factor that would have been required based on how many of those FLT rights were taken up). The effect of applying the adjustment to historic prices basically gives EXACTLY the same effect as you have achieved by charting the historic prices by the historic shares on issue. It is annoying that pretty much every provider just gives you historic prices but I guess you get what you pay for! (And it is a hassle to deal with in an IT sense so I get why most places servicing retail customers don't worry about it). Most of the time the difference is pretty small but the further back you go in time the more the adjustment factors combine the bigger the difference. Every DRP, bonus share issue, SPP, etc. etc. causes those history adjusted prices to change. Hope that makes sense.
- The traditional way of calculating the TERP is not correct in these cases of WEB FLT SYD etc. The traditional calculation of TERP by adding the value of the new capital raised to the pre-issue market cap is done on the assumption that the new funds will be deployed in the business to ultimately enhance its future market value at least by the amount of new capital that was raised. This might be by way of an acquisition, expansion of the existing business or even just paying down debt etc anything that is at least equal to the value of capital raised. However, these companies have raised this new capital just to pay the bills and keep the doors open to survive the pandemic. When the pandemic is over they may not have any of this cash left and have nothing to show for it except that they are still standing and the competition isn't. In my view this new cash raised should not be included in the TERP in these cases. Therefore the dilution in market value is far greater than what is currently thought. The cash is gone but the shares still exist. Bit like borrowing money to go on a holiday. When the holiday is over the loan is still outstanding. There are some minor offsets e.g. FLT has used some of the new capital to close underperforming stores and reduce overheads (redundancies etc) which has reduced losses and WEB has used some to finance development work on its existing and new products.